Lest I have done despite (contemptuous treatment, scorn, disregard, disrespect, or disdained ) to the Spirit of Grace. )May God Forgive me, and the Grace of Almighty God rectify…Amen
Hebrews 10:28-29
He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Lest I have ever inferred that there is any other way to righteousness, other than through the shed blood of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.
Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Lest I have ever inferred that one should walk in the law, instead of the newness of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 7:4-6
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Lest I ever inferred that anyone can be justified by the law, as opposed to the Grace of God Almighty in Christ Jesus our Lord
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Lest I have ever inferred that one can be made righteous by the keeping of any feast, any tradition or by any keeping of the old testament law outside of Jesus Christ our Lord, may God forgive me…. Amen.
If any find this offensive, that is something you must take to God, because I am more concerned with offending Jesus Christ than I am of offending any man or woman..Amen
Post Script: All the above Scriptures were to be delivered to the Jews first and then they were delivered to the Gentiles.
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Monday, February 4, 2008
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Justly and rightly spoken, sister.
JOHN R PEACHER - mtzion@hughes.net
We will celebrate the Feast Days in Heaven; in the New Jerusalem. I want to know everything I can about them. They all point to (Yeshua) Jesus. He is the fulfillment of each and every one of them and I feel we will, for all of eternity, stand beside Moses, the Prophets, and Jewish Believers in Yeshua during those feasts celebrations. After all, in the visions of Heaven there is an altar, a sacrifice, mention is made of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world, the twelve gates and twelve cornerstones are all Jewish in nature and name, and the New City we all await is called the New Jerusalem, for Heaven's sake!
Many Christians are puffed up with pride not because of not being required to celebrate the Feasts or study of the Law, but because they are lazy, expecially in the Western Nations.
Jesus was born a Jew, to Jewish parents, in a nation of Jews. Moses was a Jew and led them out of Egypt into the Promised Land. The prophets were Jewish, the Deciples were Jewish, the Apostles were Jewish, the Bible was written by Jews!! Why the fear?
Christian Believers who are not of Jewish orgin are supposed to be making Jews jealous because of their love! We have much to do in that regard. Many boast against the very root from which we get our nourishment.
We had better get our act together because Jesus (Yeshua) Himself said He was not coming back until they (Israel) says blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
If it were not for the Orthodox Jewish Rabbi's fervor since 70 AD when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and during the 2000 year dispersion, there would be no Israel or Jewish faith. It is the only race and language that has been perserved in human history. I do not know any Babylonians or hear their language spoken. I do not know any Assyrians or hear their language.
God has made Israel a promise; He has said all of Israel will be saved, period. He did not say they would have to become members of an evangelical church, go to Sunday School, or any method of Western religiousocity. He said He would sprinkle them with water, give them a new heart and a new mind, and they would be pronounced by Him to be clean. Period.
Yes they do need Yeshua. There are ministries, Messianic ministries in Israel who minister to Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, believers, non-believers and all people. God is doing works in Israel as I write that would bring tears to our eyes.
Non Jews do not have to celebrate all of the Feast Days, the Apostle Paul has said that. But if I am going to a place to spend eternity, and the basis of that place was founded and rooted in Judiasm, I want to know everything I can about Judiasm and the Feasts days so I am not ignorant when I get there and it takes me 1,000 years to play catch up with Paul, Daniel, Jeremiah, Peter, Stephen, King David, Adam, Noah, Jonah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Rebekka, Sarah, Deborah, Neimiah, Micha, Malachi, Naum, Obadiah, Joshua, and the multitide of others who belonged to the nation of Israel; our OLDER BROTHER.
Walk softly when speaking of Israel. We are in for some major, earth and heaven shaking surprises before this is over.
Thank you Helen for posting my last note of concern regarding this very important issue-Christianity and Judaism. These are the days the Prophets only dreamed of seeing. We are priviledged, and trusted by our Father to handle the issues as He would have us. Several passages of Scripture have come to mind while reading today, they are:
ROMANS 11:28,29-"From the standpoint of the gospel, they (the Jewish people) are enemies for your sake, but from the STAND POINT OF GOD'S CHOICE they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God ARE IRREVOCABLE."
ROMANS 11:18 " Do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root SUPPORTS YOU."
ROMANS 11:25-27 "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this MYSTERY, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and thus, ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED; just as it is written.
Romans 9:4,5 "Israelites, to whom BELONGS the adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the LAW,the temple sERVICE and the PROMSES, whose are the FATHERS, and FROM WHOM is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever, Amen."
Both Jewish and non Jewish Believers in Jesus (Yeshua) Ephesians 2:18 applies in these days more than ever-
"FOR THROUGH HIM WE BOTH HAVE ACCESS IN ONE SPIRIT TO THE FATHER"
Nothing like siblings having an argument around the dinner table to clear the air a little....(my little comment for today!!!)
May God, the Father of us all, smile and assist us as we work through these issues of these last of the last days!
JOHN R PEACHER - mtzion@hughes.net
JOHN R PEACHER - mtzion@hughes.net
Quote:
We will celebrate the Feast Days in Heaven; in the New Jerusalem. I want to know everything I can about them.
Scripture please!
John you are wrong, period. The only feast will be the Feast of Tabernacles. That will be for the natural people, Jewish or otherwise, that did not make the rapture/catching away. The feast is to remind them of their deliverance by God, in temporary dwellings. We (those who are raptured or dead in Christ) will be in the presence of God, no need for rehearsals ever again, we will know as we are known. In the presence of God is the fullness of joy, we will worship in Spirit and in Truth (as we are suppose to do NOW!). Faith is the only birthright that matters. Faith is what will be rewarded.
If all true Christian gentiles are sons and daughters by faith apart from fleshly circumcision how can any man say that we are not assigned to be part of the 12 tribes by God? Interesting that pride allows the circumcision (who rejected Jesus) to think so highly of themselves when the Lord said that we are equal. This is not to look down on anyone, but when the time of the gentiles is fulfilled, the Lion of the tribe of Judah will deal quite severely with Israel to bring them to a place of repentance, only a remnant will remain. They remain by the grace of God. God to show Himself strong, to be faithful to the promises He made, to show His love for His Friends (Abraham, David, Daniel, Noah and the like) and His love for a people who love Him, the apple of His eye. This is not to say that everyone who says that they are a Jew or a Christian actually is by God's judgment.
Those who rejoice in their race, creed, color, denomination, gender, sexual orientation or whatever more than worship God in Spirit and in truth, now, are in danger of being found not worthy to escape the wrath to come. Those who try to teach others to follow them are in danger of hell. We are judged by every idle word, its best to bridle ones tongue and speak truth than to let boastful pride tempt God.
Dave
Amen, Helen.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If we fear any man rather than God, we will not be found worthy to escape the wrath to come. Only those who have taken the time to learn the voice of God, to die to themselves and lean not to their own understandings, will He keep in the times to come.
We must not depart from the love of the Truth (the Truth being Jesus and all that He came to do--including bringing captivity captive).
God bless you,
Ryan
Following the law does not justify anyone. Jesus (Yeshua) is our Righteousness. He in us is righteous, and as we yield to Him, die to ourselves, and let Him live, we practice righteousness instead of sin. The standard of what is righteousness and righteous living remains the same. The New Covenant which was promised and fulfilled by Jesus is the Law written on a new heart. Not a heart of stone (stone tablets) but a heart of flesh. When you know something by heart, it means you do not struggle over it, you just say it or do it effortlessly. It is second nature to you. When we are born again and living by the Spirit and not the flesh, we are free from the control of our old nature, its rebellion and the tendency to strive against what is right, against the Law. Jesus set us free from that striving. As we walk after the Spirit, we will find ourselves conforming to the Law without striving and effort. The Spirit will tell us what to do, and unlike the dead letter of the Law chiseled on a stone tablet that cannot respond, when the Spirit writes on the tablet of our new hearts, He gives us life and power and desire to respond. He goes beyond just the letter, just the outward Law, and adds the inward circumcision, the inward righteousness of thought and intention. This is why Jesus said our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees, but He enables it, He does it in us. We are free to obey from a heart of faith overflowing with desire to please Him, instead of from a sense of obligation or fear of punishment. The standard of righteousness remains the Torah, it's just that now we don't cringe, since we have Jesus. It is all about Him living His righteous life in our mortal bodies. We are free, but we are not free to indulge our flesh in sin.
Something to think about:
In Hebrew the word Law that refers to the Torah means primarily teaching and instruction. Think of Proverbs and Psalm 119. It does not have the ominous connotation that our English word Law has. And the "Law of sin and death" is not the same as the Law or Torah of God. The law of sin and death is like the law of gravity. Just a condition we are living in on this earth. If we jump up, we will come down. If we sin we will die. Yet the Holy Spirit is not subject to the law of gravity, and this is how Philip was snatched up and moved from place to place, as was Elijah. Neither is He subject to the law of sin and death.
As to the feasts, only those of the house of Israel (Jews and grafted-in non-Jews) are permitted to observe the feasts except for Sabbath and Tabernacles. No non-Jew could celebrate the other feasts unless they first converted, and after that they were considered as a native-born Jew. During the millennium, we will all worship the LORD from Sabbath to Sabbath and New Moon to New Moon, and the NATIONS (those subject to the Kingdom of Israel) who do not come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles - which does not celebrate any deliverance but celebrates the dwelling of God with man - those nations will be punished with no rain.
The feasts are important to believers while we are on earth. They mark times and seasons as much as the sun and moon and stars. Just because they are pictures of a bigger reality does not mean we can't benefit from them. There are many false teachings out there regarding the rapture and timing of end time events which would be easily discerned as false if people would study and know more about what Scripture teaches about the feasts. They speak of Jesus, yes, and we want to keep our eyes on Him, but He also said to watch and wait. We are watching and waiting for the Feast of Trumpets. This cannot be predicted, but may occur on one of two days, which is why the Jews celebrate Rosh Hashana over 2 days, in case it turns out that the new moon (first visible crescent) is not visible until the second day. Or in case it was really the first day but it was obscured by clouds. The moon and its cycles are representative of the Bride, as she repeatedly disappears from view and emerges from darkness to reflect more and more of the sun, as we are to be going from glory to glory reflecting more and more of Jesus. We are not just to be watching for wars and earthquakes and famines, but for God's appointed times and where the Bride is in relation to Him. To the world, it will seem she has been obscured. But on the appointed day, when she is ready without spot or wrinkle, the trumpet will sound and she will go out to meet Him. This is exciting! Maybe some think these pictures of the kingdom and Jesus are for kindergarteners or babes in the faith, but I think they are rich and deep. Maybe that reveals something lacking about my faith. If so I hope you will pray for me since I could always use a stronger faith. All I can say is that the rehearsal for His appearing is not dead and boring to me, and the Director of the play naturally reveals more about it to those who attend and take part in the rehearsals. Not from dead ritual but living hope. Not from favoritism or "points earned" with Him, but simply by the practical fact of showing up.
I want to be ready, not surprised.
One more thing I want to add :) if that's okay... In the same way the Lord put a veil over the hearts of the Jews when Moses is read so that they cannot see Messaiah in the Torah, although He is there, I believe there is a similar type of veil over the hearts of the Gentiles so that they don't see the Torah in Jesus, although it is there. When Paul talks about lawlessness in the last days - he is talking about Torahlessness. The Lawless One (Anti-Christ) is the Torahless One.
Our Father has bound all men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on us all.
Amy, you seem to be sincere in your belief. Ask the Holy Spirit if the words below are truth.
Amy you said:
Maybe that reveals something lacking about my faith. If so I hope you will pray for me since I could always use a stronger faith.
Amy it's understanding, not faith you need. The old covenant will be completely done away with, the need to know history will be done away with.
Hebrews 8: 7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,(What days? After they weep for the one thy crucified.) saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Amy you also said:
we will all worship the LORD from Sabbath to Sabbath and New Moon to New Moon,
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. 20Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. 21Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.
Sorry, no more new moon feasts. Those who worship will worship in truth, not by any need of remembrance or traditions of men. God will write truth on every mans heart.
Amy you said:
I believe there is a similar type of veil over the hearts of the Gentiles so that they don't see the Torah in Jesus,
Only a beam in ones own eye could let pride want to believe to the Holy Spirit does not speak truth to all men. Are you baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues? Do you have an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying? Have you received the Promise of the Father, restoration to the fellowship of walking with the Father, hearing His doctrine, speaking His doctrine. The just will live by faith.
L,J,P&HG
Dave
CONSIDERATIONS RE:GENTILE-JEW
JOHN R. PEACHER-mtzion@hughes.net
Not to belabor the issue(s), some personal thoughts.
The time of the Gentiles has drawn to a close. Israel's re-gathering since 1946 and the recapture of Jerusalem after 2000 years of exile confirm this fact.
Yes, Israel, as Yeshua (Jesus) said, missed the time of her visitation. The religious were so wrapped up in their doctrines that they missed the boat! Israel had 2000 years to "get it right" from the time of the giving of the Law and the time of Messiah.
In contrast, the Church has also had 2000 years to "get it right".
I fear the Church is missing the boat on many issues-Judaism and the place of Israel as God wraps things up for human history as we know it on planet earth.
I hear sermons that prophecy massive revivals in the USA and Europe. Please forgive me, but for what? There have been hundreds of moves of God in the Western World over the centuries and still Western Europe is a culdron in which hundreds of churches are closing and mosque are being built in their place.
I live in a small town in the so called "Bible belt" and there are more topless bars and drinking establishments and night clubs than churches. Why? Because there is a form of religion and no acknowledgement of the power of God. And this is after hundreds of revivals? Please forgive me,if I may be so bold, and God please forgive me, but revival FOR WHAT? It would only make a further mockery of the God who sits in the heavens.Get real!
This thing, I feel, is coming down to a very personal level; we can intercede with our Father for family members and friends and as a result they will be saved. It is a covenant promise from our Father.
From a Jewish perspective I want to tread carefully. Here are some thoughts in addition to the Scripture given previously:
Zechariah 12:2,3,9-"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for ALL people;
ALL that burden themselves with it shall be cut to pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."
"And it shall come to pass in that day, tht I will seek to destroy ALL the nations that come against Jerusalem."
In the context of President Bush and the US Government, where do you think we fit in when the stated policy is the further division of Israel and dividing Jerusalem into two distinct capitals, one Jewish and one Palestinian? One would have had to fail kindergarden a dozen times to not get it on this issue.
Zechariah 13:8,9 "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therin shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therin. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refiined, and will try them as gold is tried; they shall call on My Name, and I will hear them: I will say, IT IS MY PEOPLE, AND THEY SHALL SAY, THE LORD IS MY GOD."
The Book of Revelation speaks of 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes singing a song before the Throne of God. I do not believe I will be in that glorious choir, but believe me, if at all possible, I will be humming the songs and praising right along with my elder brother, Israel, on that day.
Romans 15:17 admonishes Gentile Believers..."For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their (Jews) spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things."
Both can take great comfort in this one thing (Philippians 2:20 21) "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ; Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself."
IN CONCLUSION:
ZECHARIAH 8:22,23 " Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seel the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem (not New York or Washington DC) and to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts; I will go also. Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations (the United States and Europe included) even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you; for we have heard that God is with you."
This passage of Scripture pretty well wraps up the events of the last days as far as I am concerned.
Just as the Jews 2000 years ago missed their visitation, I feel the Church in Western Nations has missed her time of visitation. For the most part, we have played the harlot with the things of God and now it is a new day. As the great harlot rides the beast system that is forming and commits fornication with it, the LORD God Almighty is wrapping this thing up where it all began; in Jerusalem. If we understand this, His visitations to us on a personal level and as families will increase as our knowledge on this issue increases.
Many times on these issues I feel like Job when he said in chapter 37:19 "Teach us what we shall say unto Him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness."
I feel He is revealing a new day for Last Day Believers, both Jew and Gentile. Through the workings of God, we will surely become ONE NEW MAN in Yeshua; He will remove the warts and arguments as only He knows how.
I do appreciate, Helen, the time you have spent on this important issue. I hope and pray that the spirit in which I write these things is not in the spirit of James and John when they wanted to call fire down from Heaven and destroy those who disagreed with them! Our Master told them they did not know what spirit they were of.
May His grace, and His peace, and His revelation for this new day be given to all who want to know and understand the days in which we live. Again, we have been trusted by our Father to work this thing our according to His plan. We must do so in the spirit of peace and grace.
Preacher John perhaps you should go to my website: foodforhungrysheep.com, the link is on this blog site, to see where I stand on Israel.
As to the great Revial that many speak of today, I agree...it's not scriptural, it's not going to happen, what is going to happen is a great falling away from the truth of the Word of God, a great apostacy, already well in progress.
2Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
As we can see just by taking in all the daily news, we are fast approaching the reign of the anti-christ. Yes i do believe that the "saints" are going to know who the anti-christ is, no I am not a pre-trib rapture believer. I believe that the saints are to be tried by the reign of the anti-christ, and made overcomers through the Holy Spirit who is in them, the oil in the lamp of the wise virgins.
If the Lord leads I will perhaps do a blog on this subject some time
God Bless, Oh and if you could post the scripture on the saints celebrating the feasts through eternity would be good, I also am interested to see it. God's Word is Truth. re your quote: We will celebrate the Feast Days in Heaven; in the New Jerusalem. I want to know everything I can about them.
Thanks John God Bless, may we all grow and learn...Amen
Dave, I totally agree since the Bible makes it clear. The feasts in heaven will not need to be celebrated because we have Jesus - face to face - the Real Thing!! As Dave said, only Tabernacles, because the people will journey to Jerusalem each year to celebrate the reigning King, as Zechariah describes.
And, doesn't Paul say, in regards to favouring the Jews that "there is neither Jew nor Greek..." because we are one in Christ when born again into the body of believers? The Lord has a wonderful plan for physical Israel in the very end and we are already seeing this unfolding as the stage is set for antichrist and the Lord's return..."they will look upon the One they have pierced..." and a precious remnant of Israel (by natural birth) will be saved as they look upon their true Messiah when He delivers them. We who are Gentile believers, however, are the seed by faith in Christ, and thus grafted in as heirs of the promise...
Years ago, I also made the mistake of wondering whether I was somehow an 'inferior Christian' because I was not Jewish by natural birth, and I met many Christians who thought this way, and who joined Messianic fellowships and began celebrating the feasts, reverting to Saturday Sabbath etc. I even, to my delight, found that I had Jewish ancestry.....
However, the Lord soon made it clear to me that this was not necessary, and quite contrary to the Word. I met the Person of the Word in its entirety and His Name is Jesus, and I am born again by grace, into His family. It is by new birth that I am saved.
You are right, John about the false 'revival'....it will be lying signs and wonders deceiving many - the great apostacy.
May we all be humble and teachable and know the Lord's voice more and more in these days!
CONSIDERATIONS RE:GENTILE-JEW
JOHN R. PEACHER-mtzion@hughes.net
Not to belabor the issue(s), some personal thoughts.
John: In contrast, the Church has also had 2000 years to "get it right".
Word: Luke 18:8...Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
John: I fear the Church is missing the boat on many issues-Judaism and the place of Israel as God wraps things up for human history as we know it on planet earth.
Word: Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
John: I hear sermons that prophecy massive revivals in the USA and Europe.
Agreed, Word: Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
2 Thessalonians 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
John: Why? Because there is a form of religion and no acknowledgement of the power of God.
Agreed, Word: Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
John: FOR WHAT? It would only make a further mockery of the God who sits in the heavens. Get real!
Agreed, Word: James 1: 25But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. 26If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. 27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
John: From a Jewish perspective I want to tread carefully. Here are some thoughts in addition to the Scripture given previously:
Zechariah 12:2,3,9-"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for ALL people;
ALL that burden themselves with it shall be cut to pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy ALL the nations that come against Jerusalem."
Amen, I agree.
John: In the context of President Bush and the US Government, where do you think we fit in...
Word: Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Revelation 2:4
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Isaiah 32:1 Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.
2And a man shall be as an hiding place from the wind, and a covert from the tempest; as rivers of water in a dry place, as the shadow of a great rock in a weary land. 3And the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, and the ears of them that hear shall hearken. 4The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly. 5The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. 6For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Original quote: "how can any man say that we are not assigned to be part of the 12 tribes by God?"
John your response: I do not believe I will be in that glorious choir, but believe me, if at all possible, I will be humming the songs and praising right along with my elder brother, Israel, on that day.
My response: That was meant to be as ludicrous as any unfounded statement or belief. As to your elder brother, Word: Romans 8: 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
John: IN CONCLUSION:
ZECHARIAH 8:22,23 This passage of Scripture pretty well wraps up the events of the last days as far as I am concerned.
Word: Jeremiah 31:31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
John: I feel the Church in Western Nations has missed her time of visitation.
Word: 1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
John: His visitations to us on a personal level and as families will increase as our knowledge on this issue increases.
Word: John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Comment: If you haven't received the Holy Spirit evidensed by speaking in tongues you wouldn't know.
John: I feel He is revealing a new day for Last Day Believers, both Jew and Gentile. Through the workings of God, we will surely become ONE NEW MAN in Yeshua; He will remove the warts and arguments as only He knows how.
WHAT?
Word: Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
John 7: 16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. 18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
John: I write these things is not in the spirit of James and John when they wanted to call fire down from Heaven and destroy those who disagreed with them! Our Master told them they did not know what spirit they were of.
Word: Zephaniah 2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
John: May His grace, and His peace, and His revelation for this new day be given to all who want to know and understand the days in which we live.
Word: John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John, blessed are the peace makers but at the expense of truth? That will not glorify God, Truth sets you free. If we were of the same Spirit we would be at peace. If we had the same doctrine we would agree, how can two walk together unless they are of one Spirit. Always seeking and never coming to truth is not helped by repeating happy thoughts, traditions of men, or proclaiming our beliefs and experiences as truth.
L,J,P&HG
Dave
Original quote: "how can any man say that we are not assigned to be part of the 12 tribes by God?"
Was this your quote Dave?
This brings up an intersting point could you elaborate please.
I did not say I think the feasts will be celebrated in HEAVEN, but during the Millennium, which is on EARTH. After that there will be a new heaven and a new earth. I don't understand everything about it, but as many scriptures as people are quoting, I assume you are all literate enough to realize I am referring to scripture as well, whether I quote it verbatim or not. Read Isaiah 66:22 and Zechariah 14:16.
Other scriptures referring to celebrating the Sabbaths / feasts forever are Exodus 12:14,17, 24-26, Leviticus 23 (read the whole thing, but see verses 14, 21, 31, 41.) The 10 Commandments - which in Hebrew are called the 10 Words - include keeping the weekly Sabbath. Deuteronomy 5:12. When did the 10 Commandments expire? Is the 4th Commandment the only one that no longer applies literally? Which other ones are meant only in a spiritual sense now, not a literal sense?
I do not believe I have imposed my understanding of scripture on anyone else in any of my comments or that I have displayed a judgmental attitude in any way. Most of what I have said has been in the context of how I have personally been blessed in getting to know the Father more by studying His Word and walking in His commandments. I have no desire to tell anyone else how they should live or to cause anyone to stumble. When I said maybe my convictions appear to some as an indication that I am weak in my faith, I was referring to Romans 14 and Colossians 2:16. If someone thinks I am a weaker sister because of my convictions, I do not have so much pride as to deny my need for prayer, whether for stronger faith or better understanding. But I live by faith and judge no one regarding these things. I expect no one to judge me except Yeshua (Jesus), Who knows me and knows the walk of faith to which He has called me.
When I said that I think the Gentiles have a veil over their hearts regarding Torah - I was NOT referring to anyone of us who comment here and at Homeward Bound, but to the masses of people and the church in general who do not understand the holiness of Jesus or have the fear of the Lord and think grace makes them free to do as they please, while trampling on His blood which was meant to take away our sins, not excuse them. I believe all of you see this about what is called the Church today. I don't think any of you would argue that. Those of us who were called out of that corrupt system are obeying Him and His commandments as the Holy Spirit shows us more and more how to walk in a manner pleasing to God. We don't each know everything yet or even the same things, which is why we need each other. Only together can we grow up into His fullness, and no one person has it all figured out. But the Lord is continually revealing and unfolding more as we need it, as we ask, and as we are able to receive.
Dave, thank you for not leaving off Love, Joy, Peace and the Holy Ghost (I assume that is what L,J,P&HG means) from your note to me. :) If you ask the Holy Spirit about me, I'm sure He will tell you what He wants you to know. It is hard to know and understand where someone is coming from when we don't interact in person, only in writing, but He in you will witness to Himself in me. Yes, I have been immersed into Him and not only speak in tongues but He works many other gifts through me as He wills. I am hearing the same voice saying the same words which your friend Ryan is hearing, even often on the very same days, and I am amazed every time I read his posts on your blog. Beyond that, I do not feel the need to come to my own defense.
Amy You said:
I did not say I think the feasts will be celebrated in HEAVEN,
Right PJ did:
Anonymous said...
JOHN R PEACHER - mtzion@hughes.net
We will celebrate the Feast Days in Heaven;
Amy: but during the Millennium, which is on EARTH.
This is about the Tribulation and the 1000 year reign of Peace time period, but the covenant will continue into eternity.
Amy: When did the 10 Commandments expire? Is the 4th Commandment the only one that no longer applies literally?
Word: Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
This is true also:
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Amy: I do not believe I have imposed my understanding of scripture on anyone else.
Amy you said:
I believe there is a similar type of veil over the hearts of the Gentiles so that they don't see the Torah in Jesus,
Just not true, no veil, though many are ignorant of truth, willfully.
Amy: When I said maybe my convictions appear to some as an indication that I am weak in my faith,
Amy you said:
Maybe that reveals something lacking about my faith. If so I hope you will pray for me since I could always use a stronger faith.
That is what I was referring to.
Dave, thank you for not leaving off Love, Joy, Peace and the Holy Ghost (I assume that is what L,J,P&HG means) from your note to me. :)
Exactly.
Amy: If you ask the Holy Spirit about me, I'm sure He will tell you what He wants you to know.
Word: Matthew 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
1 Peter 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Amy: Beyond that, I do not feel the need to come to my own defense.
Word: Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
I don't judge you Amy, or the intent of your words. I judge your words alone. If this blog is meant as casual conversation I'll gladly but out. If these words are intended to, or accidentally instruct babes in Christ, truth alone is the standard of God. Not, I think, maybe, I hope, someone, my pastor, my church, my denomination, my brother-in-law said. Time is short. Satan is trying to wear out the minds of the saints. Once we hear the sound of the bridegroom coming it will be to late to be filled with oil. Speaking the truth in love is what is expected of us. Glad to hear that you are Spirit filled, seems like your words are mixed wine though.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
a seed sower said...
Original quote: "how can any man say that we are not assigned to be part of the 12 tribes by God?"
Was this your quote Dave?
This brings up an interesting point could you elaborate please
Helen, yes that was my quote. There is no solid word, or scripture to prove or disprove, but if we are Jews by faith in God's eye who is to say where that ends. But that was my point, we can speculate all day but it doesn't work righteousness, or add anything to the hungry or thirsty.
L,J,P&HG
Dave
John Peacher mtzion@hughes.net
DEAR SISTER AMY!
We are in good company regarding faith. When father Abraham, whom God called His friend was called out of Ur, he and Sarah had no idea where they were going. God did not tell them they would travel through the desert, twice, take a sojourn to Egypt, meet kings that were not necessarily friendly and so forth. Abraham grew in his faith as time went on. He lied to one of the kings saying that Sarah was his sister, etc.
The Roman Centurion who knew Jesus could heal his servant also prayed " help my unbelief ". Faith is a process. One can name it and claim it until the cows come home, but if it is not our Father's will, it will not happen, and if He relents, and answers our prayer, it can lead to bad things, I believe.
The Feast days have not passed from the scene. The way you have examined and studied them is beautiful and you are to be commended, not condemned. All Feasts point to Jesus (Yeshua)-how can one not have a desire to study them? Laziness if you ask me, please pardon my opinion.
I desire everything I can learn about Him. It is a facinating study.
Regarding speaking in tongues, one can speak with the tongues of angels and if they do not have love, it acomplishes NOTHING!
I believe in the power of the Spirit of God, He can speak things into being out of things that do not exist. He has named the trillions of stars that hang in space, He created all things that exist from a microbe to the expanse of the never ending universe. He sits in the Heaven of Heavens and wonders what the argument and disagreement is all about.
What if one wants to celebrate the Feasts? What if non-Jews do not want to celebrate?
Personally, I light Shabbot candles on Sabbath, I light the mennorah for Hannuka and place it in a window, I have a shofar )that scares my animals half to death), and I am as Jewish as a unconverted Jew can be, especially here in West Virginia!!
I love my elder brothers and sisters. I admire what they have endured throughout the ages; my heart bleeds for Israel in her present circumstances. I have been in Israel and it is dearer to me that my own home I built with sweat and blood. I would move my family there if I could afford to.
Regarding Dave's comment of "ever learning and never being able to come to the knowledge of the truth" I would say that I desire to know the riches, the depths, the very heart of God in these last days. I do not know Him the way I desire, as long as I am in this fleshly body I never will.
When I am one with Him, by His grace and His grace alone, I will be satisfied for eternity.
God Bless you Amy. The search for His heart continues-the river of revelation coming from His throne is flowing like it never has before in these last of the last days; KEEP DRINKING!
I know that as Believers we the chances of us meeting on earth are slim to none, but by His grace when we get to our eternal home I will find a shofar up there, (maybe Jeremiah or Ezra will loan me theirs for an afternoon and we will dance the horah and sing the song of Moses!!
May He continue to bless you and keep you in His loving arms.
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building. 10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. 14If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; 22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; 23And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
I believe that everyone here who has taken the time to comment on this particular blog, is sincere in what they believe. I would hope that the desire of each of us is to be pleasing to God, to honor our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and to edify and exhort each other as we see the day approaching. We have one duty left now we have all shared the Word with each other concerning the subject of the feasts and what makes us righteous before God, and that is to pray one for another earnestly and sincerely. Then if any of us is in error of any sort, God help us to see the truth, and may we all grow in the knowedge of our Lord Jesus Christ. May the Holy Spirit speak to our hearts as we all meditate upon the Word that we have been given. Love IN Christ, Helen
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